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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 10:48:19 PM »

This whole trouble seemed to start, just after a neighbor's 2 dogs went for a paddle in the top pond,

What kind of flea and tick treatment do the dogs have?  It just may be that it was enough to weaken your fish and whatever opportune bug or less than pristine water conditions may have taken their toll.  Or it may have killed off all the good bacteria in your filtration system and you are going through another cycle.  Test for amonia nitrate and nitrite.

If the water is green don't forget the reverse cycle with algae in the water pulling out O2 in the dark hours.  Add heat to that and you can get trouble.  Turnover is something to think of, but agitation of the surface through a waterfall or fountain or airstone may help if this is the case.

If you are using bore water check the salinity, it can change.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2010, 11:20:05 PM »

Hi Sunshine
welcome to the forum
If you have been reading this post , it is a long sad tale where unfortunately the pond owner mike has been a1000km away on business and his good wife at home has had no test kit available.
So like you we are all suggesting the starting point is to get those water readings.Apparently Mike is on his way home and is going to get a test kit so we should soon have some results.
Hopefully there have been no more fatalities in the mean time.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 12:55:39 AM »

Occasionaaly some dogs have Malathion for flea meds.I wouldnt like to have that in my water.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 06:09:26 AM »

Hi,
about 20 years ago I lived in two rocks, at the time I was into tropicals, trying to keep discus fish alive was very difficult.  I recall the water being very alkaline and a hardness of >350 (i needed <50) .  Do Koi like hard water???
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 06:30:20 AM »

Hard water (both high gh & kh) is not responsible for poor health or death.
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2010, 07:01:41 AM »

 :)Hi Guys
Sorry for the delay, I had to go overseas for a few days, but the good news is the Koi have stopped dying, I tested the water and the parameters were:
Ph 7.5  Nitrites 0.1 Nitrates 2.5

My wife treated the water with some medication to treat flukes, lice, I think it was a broad spectrum antibiotic, I will find out the name, whatever was causing the problem it seems to have cleared, no problems for the last ten days.

I really appreciated your help, and will certainly look forward to reading some of the other posts.

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2010, 07:29:57 AM »

Hi again Guys
Just found out the name of the treatment the wife used in the water Anti Parasite made by Blagdon, it was a five day treatment 200ml for every 1000Lt, I was just wondering if it would be worth giving another treatment, it says you can treat again after seven days.

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2010, 08:00:00 AM »

Hi Mike

I am glad the fatalities have stopped!

You need to be testing for ammonia as well, that is one of the critical ones, ideally nitrite should be zero.

I dont know the blagdon product , it is not uncommon to do a follow up treatment to kill parasite eggs.

The problem has been due to your unavoidable absence during the drama and lack of test gear there was no continuity of testing so we still do not really know what the problem was, but it appears something has worked.

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 10:07:46 PM »

Hi, Mike!
Jay is spot on.  Alien
You need to test for Ammonia too.
Ammonia will burn their gills and cause breathing problems.
Nitrite will cause brown blood disease. This affects the red blood cells that are resposible for carrying oxygen.
Both of these conditions will kill your fish.
Glad you're back home and can sort it out.
Good luck, mate.  Fishy
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2010, 12:51:37 AM »

A reading for nitites is the first source of your problem and this needs to be fixed before using any chemicals. You may or may not have a disease problem, but the koi will continue to die regardless if the nitrite issue is not fixed.

When the water has nitrites, it causes brown blood disease. This is where the blood is prvented from carrying enough oxygen. It will cause the koi to suffocate.

Here is a link on the Missisippi State university site about the condition and about it's treatment and prevention

http://msucares.com/pubs/infosheets/is1390.htm

If you need more help, especially with the salt dose on your pond give us a shout.
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2010, 05:28:16 AM »

Hi Guys
Thanks again for the advice, I will certainly test for ammonia, and see if I can bring the nitrites to zero,
I will be in touch
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2010, 06:10:12 AM »

Hi mike

That is a good article BB has directed you to, I am sure you are aware that the salt referred to is pure salt ,such as pool salt which is relatively inexpensive, not the iodised salt that you put on your cornflakes or chips etc!
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2010, 05:51:52 AM »

... not the iodised salt that you put on your cornflakes or chips etc!

You put salt on your cornflakes Huh
much prefer sugar me  lalala Grin
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2010, 06:12:04 AM »

... not the iodised salt that you put on your cornflakes or chips etc!

You put salt on your cornflakes Huh
much prefer sugar me  lalala Grin

You'd be surprised.

A bowl of cornflakes has about the same amount of salt as a small packet of plain chips.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Salt?OpenDocument
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2010, 07:13:12 AM »

Hi Guys
I really do appreciate all the information you have supplied, the water seems fine now 0 nitrites and amonia, the Koi are doing really well.

I am hoping to introduce a couple of yellow koi ( brad did tell me what they were call, but I have forgotten) anyway I will be home again around the 9 March and hope to get a couple while I'm home, just hoping they don't introduce anything into the other fish, as they have been isolated for a few years now.

Thanks again
Mike
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